Comments on: To the spoiler goes the win http://www.naasen.org/2008/05/27/to-the-spoiler-goes-the-win The Homepage of BJ Atchley, Heather Atchley, Sophia Atchley, and Phoebe Atchley Thu, 20 Nov 2008 21:30:39 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6 By: BJ http://www.naasen.org/2008/05/27/to-the-spoiler-goes-the-win#comment-739 BJ Thu, 29 May 2008 17:11:13 +0000 http://www.naasen.org/?p=416#comment-739 We'll see in November. My only reason for the post was to point out a rather nice outcome. I would far prefer Obama to McCain, but policy wise I just can't get myself to vote for him in November. I don't see large differences in the two policy wise. I do however see huge differences in their ability to speak and maneuver politically. Obama will undoubtedly help our standing in world politics. He will make a wonderful ambassador to the rest of the world, far better than any other candidate including Ron Paul. I honestly think he'll be able to drastically change the perception of the US by the rest of the world, but I don't think he'll be able to change the direction of the country. Will he bail out more companies, or throw more money at floundering business models? Will he begin to cut US farm subsidies? I just feel my voice will be better heard if I give my vote to a third party candidate who, while highly flawed, will undercut the current GOP and in the off chance he were to actually win would be a radical enough to institute massive cuts in the power of the executive branch. I could never convince some people to vote for Obama... however I can easily convince them to vote for a third party rather than McCain. We’ll see in November. My only reason for the post was to point out a rather nice outcome. I would far prefer Obama to McCain, but policy wise I just can’t get myself to vote for him in November. I don’t see large differences in the two policy wise. I do however see huge differences in their ability to speak and maneuver politically. Obama will undoubtedly help our standing in world politics. He will make a wonderful ambassador to the rest of the world, far better than any other candidate including Ron Paul. I honestly think he’ll be able to drastically change the perception of the US by the rest of the world, but I don’t think he’ll be able to change the direction of the country. Will he bail out more companies, or throw more money at floundering business models? Will he begin to cut US farm subsidies? I just feel my voice will be better heard if I give my vote to a third party candidate who, while highly flawed, will undercut the current GOP and in the off chance he were to actually win would be a radical enough to institute massive cuts in the power of the executive branch.

I could never convince some people to vote for Obama… however I can easily convince them to vote for a third party rather than McCain.

]]> By: Spencer Brown http://www.naasen.org/2008/05/27/to-the-spoiler-goes-the-win#comment-738 Spencer Brown Thu, 29 May 2008 00:04:10 +0000 http://www.naasen.org/?p=416#comment-738 Re:15% of Old people. This is exactly what we saw in the Iowa caucuses, Clinton had at least 85% of the old people. What that doesn't convey however is that Obama got votes from a lot of people who had never voted before. Obama absolutely swamped Clinton in our precinct because the only democrats that Clinton got were seniors and more especially senior women. As Clinton will hopefully have conceded the nomination to Obama at the convention at the very least, Obama will no longer be competing with Clinton for the Seniors. He will undoubtedly lose some to McCain, I guess the question is how many. Re:15% of Old people.

This is exactly what we saw in the Iowa caucuses, Clinton had at least 85% of the old people. What that doesn’t convey however is that Obama got votes from a lot of people who had never voted before. Obama absolutely swamped Clinton in our precinct because the only democrats that Clinton got were seniors and more especially senior women. As Clinton will hopefully have conceded the nomination to Obama at the convention at the very least, Obama will no longer be competing with Clinton for the Seniors. He will undoubtedly lose some to McCain, I guess the question is how many.

]]> By: BJ http://www.naasen.org/2008/05/27/to-the-spoiler-goes-the-win#comment-737 BJ Wed, 28 May 2008 13:14:22 +0000 http://www.naasen.org/?p=416#comment-737 I'm just saying Barr will probably entice traditional conservatives away from McCain. Ole McCain isn't exactly well liked by traditional conservatives or neo-conservatives. Obama will never be able to win over a traditional or neo-conservative... but Barr might look like a better choice for those who might have voted for McCain. Barr is almost a hero amongst the Newt Gingrich Republican crowd. He's the guy that headed up the Clinton impeachment investigation. These aren't things that make him a good libertarian, but they are things that make him a good spoiler to McCain. I’m just saying Barr will probably entice traditional conservatives away from McCain. Ole McCain isn’t exactly well liked by traditional conservatives or neo-conservatives. Obama will never be able to win over a traditional or neo-conservative… but Barr might look like a better choice for those who might have voted for McCain. Barr is almost a hero amongst the Newt Gingrich Republican crowd. He’s the guy that headed up the Clinton impeachment investigation. These aren’t things that make him a good libertarian, but they are things that make him a good spoiler to McCain.

]]> By: Adrian http://www.naasen.org/2008/05/27/to-the-spoiler-goes-the-win#comment-735 Adrian Wed, 28 May 2008 11:54:18 +0000 http://www.naasen.org/?p=416#comment-735 Hmmm...so if you vote for Barr and I vote for Obama, it doubles Obama's vote count, right? So I'm better off still voting for Obama, right? Hmmm... Hmmm…so if you vote for Barr and I vote for Obama, it doubles Obama’s vote count, right? So I’m better off still voting for Obama, right? Hmmm…

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